Re: [-empyre-] Vernacular languages can persuade us but not execute actions

[marcus bastos <bastos.marcus@gmail.com>]

<<makes us to rethink memory and representation>>
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On 10/14/05, giselle beiguelman <desvirtual@gmail.com> wrote:
> <<<<Vernacular languages can persuade us but not execute actions.>>
>  Could you describe how?
>
> 1) I can call you and invite you to dinner and persuade you to leave
> your students earlier but my invitation will not make you come... In
> this sense my words can not transform material environments.
>
> 2) The executable code sets a machine into motion. You print something
> because there is a written command line that configure this material
> action. In this sense programming languages can affect and transform
> reality.
>
> <<what differences you´d point as relevant...>>
>
> Relevant questions in our discussion:
>
> 1) Programming languages could be a relevant pattern of a
> non-atropocentric culture. A new cultural background where we will
> exchange roles with machines. It means: Machines will be more than
> human extensions...
> 2) Digital writing makes us to rethink memory and representation (I'm
> now calling back my statement about the loss of inscription)
>
>
> 2005/10/14, marcus bastos <bastos.marcus@gmail.com>:
> > <<<<Vernacular languages can persuade us but not execute actions.>>
> > but: Is it certainly so? Could you describe how?
> >
> > I like the idea of 'performatives', developed by Austin in the book
> > "Quand dit c´est faire". He says that the promise (made by the lover),
> > as well as the conviction (declared by the judge), are examples of
> > "words" that execute actions. For Austin, when the judge declares
> > somene guilty, those are not mere words, but also instructions for the
> > repressive instances of society to put the guilty one away. In other
> > words, they are the program for the execution of that order.
> > (Deleuze goes a lot into that on his critique of linguistic postulates
> > I mentioned before; a similar mechanism is described by Foucault, when
> > he shows how the 'Stultifera navis' was a device of exclusion)
> >
> > <<It seems to me that they don't have precedents in our cultural traditions.>>
> > I agree with that!!!! Of course the idea of a performative instance in
> > laguage is very different from the processes of coding executable
> > texts. I don´t want to imply, with the prior comments, that there´s
> > nothing different about digital texts, I just want to lean a bit more
> > about what differences you´d point as relevant...
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